10 Dumbest arguments against health care reform
by shall01August 7th, 2009 at 6:21 AM
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Great link. At this point, we'll need to rob a few countries to pay that debt.
Can we afford any more unfunded liabilities like Socialized Health Care?
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Below is an article from Forbes.
Obama's Top Five Health Care Lies
There are 45 million or more Americans without health insurance and more to come with out of control insurance costs.
Now Mark Levin is a conservative talk show host who is the top of his field is constitutional law. Please listen to a breakdown of these 45 million directly from census data.
It's only going to get worse and more expensive. Due to high costs more and more businesses are going to quit offering insurance coverage.
Funny you should mention the effect on businesses. In the current versions of the bill there are provisions that would require all businesses with a payroll of $250,000 per year to carry insurance or pay an 8.5% tax. At first $250,000 sounds like a big business but that’s the class warfare that they want to foster. Let’s say I open a small store and over the years my store grows. Since I own the store I give myself a salary of $45,000. Since this store is my baby I put 60 hours a week in so I basically make $14.43 /hr. I have 2 managers that I pay 12.00/hr. I have 10 employees that I pay $8.00/hr.
Now lets do the math.
My Salary 45,000
2 Managers 2*12.00*2080= 49,920
10 employees 10*8.00*2080 = 166,400
Total Payroll $ 261,320
Now I’m not going to cut my pay or cut back on the money I reinvest into my business. So I have a choice of either raising prices so that I can pay for the insurance or lay off a couple of people so that I fall under that $250,000 threshold. Realistically since the most businesses are trying to keep their current customers the later will probably be the most fiscally sound choice.
I'm still looking for that WHO report do you have a good link.
SHALLo1 havent forgot about you I will read that report today. The only one I found is from 2001 is this the one your referring to?
Fox has opposing views??? That's laughable.
There are 45 million or more Americans without health insurance and more to come with out of control insurance costs. Insurance companies do their best to deny coverage to the people that need it most. What does someone do, that has lost their job and they have a pre-existing condition? What about the policy of denying coverage because of a typo or some such mistake only after you have been diagnosed with illness? In some cases these people have been paying their premiums to the company for years and years. It's only going to get worse and more expensive. Due to high costs more and more businesses are going to quit offering insurance coverage.The US medical system is ranked 37th by the World Health Organization...37th. I don't know how we can afford to not do anything.
Some top Democrats have responded in recent days by hinting that they may instead try to short-circuit the traditional Senate legislative process by passing a health-care bill through an obscure tactic known as reconciliation, a type of budget maneuver that requires only a simple majority -- 51 votes -- to pass. Such a maneuver would boost the prospects for Senate passage of a public health option. But Republicans have equated such a move to legislative warfare. ---CNN
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Not yet sure how I feel about this potential move... Still on the fence.
Or simply quit wasteful spending.