Really, who cares about Palin?
by MarcJune 16th, 2009 at 8:10 PM
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I just want to know who really cares about Sarah Palin anyway? The fact of the recent Letterman story is that there were about 15 protesters and 40 media reporters trying to make something big out of the "bad" joke. And it gets worse---This Web site, FireDavidLetterman.com, is just stupid. The guy behind this movement, John Ziegler, also made a film attempting to depict media bias in the recent election, which he claims gave Obama an advantage. In my opinion, if you think the media is bias in one particular direction, you are not open minded. Pretty much everything in the world is inherently bias---fact. Here's a factual attestation to bias contrasting Ziegler's fanatical propaganda against left bias: I saw a Fox News television commercial the other day that almost made me puke. Here's the reason. Fox News attempted to define for us what it means to be an American. Watching that commercial is just an insult to my intelligence and should be such to anyone else that can read. The last thing I want to deal with are fellow countrymen brainwashed by an uncompromising media regime that uses a dangerous form of psychological warfare (e.g., creation of a guilt complex; us-or-them mentality) to create cyber-zombies, the manufacturing of which is what politics in our country is becoming all about. What I wonder is how we can teach people to be more critical of media and how to deflect the brainwashing tactics that promote irrational thinking and intolerance. Here's an good example of mild intolerance in the making: Despite Letterman's Apology, Protesters Call for Sponsor Boycott. There's just no balance in this report. It's like the article is for people that don't partake in any form of comedy, much less watch television. My point here is that certain media is deliberately brainwashing and can easily manufacture negative emotions. I'm worried about the people that don't realize where they are getting their opinions from. |
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I just want to know who really cares about Sarah Palin anyway? The fact of the recent Letterman story is that there were about 15 protesters and 40 media reporters trying to make something big out of the "bad" joke.
I’m not ashamed to say to say I care. So my question is where are the people that screamed about women’s rights when Don Imus made his remarks now? Letterman made remarks about her looking like a slutty flight attendant and her 14 year old (yes the 18 year old wasn’t there) getting knocked up. They had Imus fired. Now I don’t agree with either Letterman or Imus I just feel that selective morals are just fucked up. What really makes me want to scream is how even you are villianizing Palin and victimizing letterman.
The last thing I want to deal with are fellow countrymen brainwashed by an uncompromising media regime that uses a dangerous form of psychological warfare (e.g., creation of a guilt complex; us-or-them mentality) to create cyber-zombies, the manufacturing of which is what politics in our country is becoming all about
I agree it’s just like how the government and the main stream media are now calling terrorism “man–made-disaster or how illegal aliens are now “undocumented workers” or new social spending programs are “investments”. On a side note the media is supposed to uncompromising. Facts are solid and should be reported as such.
uncompromising is defined as:
• inflexible and unwilling to negotiate or make concessions; principled
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/uncompromising
• uncompromised - Not compromised, without defects
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/uncompromised
I'm worried about the people that don't realize where they are getting their opinions from.
This was really spoken like a true statist. People can have opinions as long as they come from sources that you agree with. Or maybe its just you feel people aren’t smart enough to use their powers of deductive reasoning and formulate their own opinions.
Obama also seems to agree in this report.
Well if Obama said it it has to be the gospel. Hey AB can I get a ZOMBIE chant for marc.
Rob--What really makes me want to scream is how even you are villianizing Palin and victimizing letterman.
I admit that I was scared to death that Palin had a chance at winning. Something about her just irks me. It's like she has figured a way to convince her followers that she's authentic when in reality she is more about herself than anything else, which would leave a vast portion of the public without representation or representation based on her views of what's right and wrong. Palin just seemed like someone that learned how to persuade a certain audience, an audience that she was never really a true member of to begin with.
Another thing, personally, I've just had enough of the "conservative" take on American values. Our population is too large and diverse for some group to tell us what values we should have. Personal values are, and should be, way beyond control of the government or news media. Quick example, same-sex marriages are alleged to be non-value relationships. Hmmm.
Fox New is just a perfect example of an attempt to adorn me with selective morals. Thanks, but I'll do the moral selecting, and it won't include hate for a number of diverse groups nor embed me with hatred for things I don't understand (to include culture, religion, sexual preference, stem cell research, and more).
Rob---People can have opinions as long as they come from sources that you agree with. Or maybe its just you feel people aren’t smart enough to use their powers of deductive reasoning and formulate their own opinions.
Well, if I know for a fact that someone has opinions based on a single source with literally no exposure to anything else, then I'm definitely worried. In the bigger picture, this type of inculcation is undeniable scary. But that's why I call the media creators of information armies---the person in question, the user, would simply be a solider whose purpose is to propagate the given media's perspective. This is also a clear example of a Zombie.
As for Obama, I would really like to see a list of things that he has done that have in fact caused the Fox News constituents severe harm. I actually think those constituents should find Obama reasonable, practical, and open to suggestions. This is where I begin to question the rational of this country's most vocal opposition to Obama. When people become opposed to something based on principal alone versus actual logic, irrationality begins to surface, and it's just plain evident. Am I guilty of this with Palin? Well, from a quick glance sure, but I have actual reasons as well, reasons which were deduced and, I think, fair to society at large, meaning my rational for opposing Palin is based on knowing that it will not in someway damage another portion of society but rather is the best choice for ensuring we all get along in our pursuits of life, liberty, and happiness. I'm just a nice guy like that.
I guess this is just the state of things in our country---continual opposition. But there are many reasons that people find comfort on one side of the fence versus the other. And without naming specifics examples, I just feel that one side of the fence in particular has harbored "values" that would steer this country and society backwards given unbridled control of the helm. OK, one example, Tennessee's GOP represenatives. There I said it.
I'm all about humanity progressing as a whole, which will require new levels of tolerance, a tolerance that I just don't see existing on one side of the fence, and yet there also seems to be no acknowledgement of anti-progress as being a bad thing. That's scary and also why Palin scared me.
'm all about humanity progressing as a whole, which will require new levels of tolerance, a tolerance that I just don't see existing on one side of the fence, and yet there also seems to be no acknowledgement of anti-progress as being a bad thing. That's scary and also why Palin scared me.
You're entitled to your opinion on Palin, but in spite of that it doesn't justify the attack on her and her family.
Fox New is just a perfect example of an attempt to adorn me with selective morals. Thanks, but I'll do the moral selecting, and it won't include hate for a number of diverse groups nor embed me with hatred for things I don't understand (to include culture, religion, sexual preference, stem cell research, and more).
One thing I hate are generalizations please be specific on how fox adorned you with selective morals. Since you say you'll do your own moral selecting one would think you would afford the same courtesy to others. However statist like you believe everyone should hold the same views as you. I am expected to prostitute my beliefs on culture, religion, sexual preference, stem cell research…etc so that they conform to yours, all in the names of diversity and tolerance. If I don’t, I’m labeled as a hater or a bigot.
Another thing, personally, I've just had enough of the "conservative" take on American values. Our population is too large and diverse for some group to tell us what values we should have. Personal values are, and should be, way beyond control of the government or news media. Quick example, same-sex marriages are alleged to be non-value relationships.
I fully concur of this one. Then I hope you would agree that Miss California was wrongfully vilified for not compromising her values when she was asked a question. However these groups right to free speech and as long as they are promoting their cause peaceably it’s protected by the first amendment.
Well, if I know for a fact that someone has opinions based on a single source with literally no exposure to anything else, then I'm definitely worried. In the bigger picture, this type of inculcation is undeniable scary. But that's why I call the media creators of information armies---the person in question, the user, would simply be a solider whose purpose is to propagate the given media's perspective. This is also a clear example of a Zombie.
I agree, I believe that the media is, and has been for some time, the states propaganda machine with ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, carrying the same view on a topic it might as well be Pravda reporting the news. So with FOX having a different view how is that a single source? For an example ABC giving the white house time to sell their healthcare plan without giving time to the opposing views. Sounds pretty one sided to me & BTW the opposing views are both liberal and conservative. If fox would have a special and not allow opposing views you would never hear the end of it. In the end its really up to the individual. I personally go to several sources for my news. Additionally I go to the House and Senate websites and read the bills and voice my opinions to my Reps instead of blindly following a leader.
partake in any form of comedy, much less watch television. Marc
You really think that talking about raping a 14 year old girl is comedy?
AB---You really think that talking about raping a 14 year old girl is comedy?
If you're sarcastically referring to the joke on Letterman, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what the rest of world also thought and still thinks: Letterman performs stand-up comedy. But if you're referring to an actual crime, like something that really happened to someone which was then being extorted for humor, then I think you're off topic at this point.
You're entitled to your opinion on Palin, but in spite of that it doesn't justify the attack on her and her family. ---Rob
I've heard worse attacks on Michael Jackson, and his music has personally touched and inspired more people's lives than Palin could ever dream of doing. Although she may have briefly dreamt that at some point in recent history.
However statist like you believe everyone should hold the same views as you. I am expected to prostitute my beliefs on culture, religion, sexual preference, stem cell research…etc so that they conform to yours, all in the names of diversity and tolerance. ---Rob
You make a good point. But this country doesn't need another civil war. During the last Bush election, it really felt like our country might divide. I mean people I know really quit being friends based on which candidate they were supporting. I think we should collectively opt for a more objective presentation of opposing view points, that's all. It's the responsible thing to do. If you see Fox News using cheap tactics to paint an issues, even if you are conservative, blow the whistle on them! If we demand a more objective and mature media, then perhaps the possibility of increasing respect for opposing view points could be realized in this country, and that's what I mean by more tolerance. It's just that most people wouldn't have this conversation because they couldn't tolerate it. We're using this medium to break that mold, which is great, but think about how many there are on both sides of the fence that can't help but being absolutely ugly to the other side just because they think it's the right way to be.
Conservatism is the force attempting to hold back from the inevitable progression of things, it seems to me. This stalling is good though and buys more time for decision making, etc. And I believe that not all progression is good, which is why conservatism certainly has an important role in our society. Thank you conservatives :) But in the process of advocating conservatism, let's not create an uninformed public, which would be like cutting off the nose to spite the face.
I personally go to several sources for my news. Additionally I go to the House and Senate websites and read the bills and voice my opinions to my Reps instead of blindly following a leader. ---Rob
Going to House and Senate Web sites is admirable and definitely a good way to stay informed. I've picked up some good insights in the past from your contributions of specifics and wish I had more time to do that kind of research myself. But that's why I like using the Web to get squashed information and fast (provided it's reliable, of course).
I'm in a rush, but I wanted to say this. Fuck Sarah Palin, Fuck her stupid daughter for getting knocked up, Fuck Fox news, and all the other misguided morons out there. Sarah Palin is a horrible Gov. and a terrible mother. peace out
I'm in a rush, but I wanted to say this. Fuck Sarah Palin, Fuck her stupid daughter for getting knocked up, Fuck Fox news, and all the other misguided morons out there. Sarah Palin is a horrible Gov. and a terrible mother. peace out
Good to see ya back I missed your insults and obscenities. I hope all is well with you. Marc I have to say your right, Ryan just proved your point to me about how those uninformed people who only use a one sided news source.
Um I just don't listen to Fox News for anything. I can do CNN,CNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS. And I read the Chicago Tribune and Sun Times every day. once in a while I throw in a Wall Street Journal for the conservative beat. Glad to be back. Palin has nothing to say, because she doesn't know about anything! Come on, if Palin is the best the GOP can bring, then they need to restructure the morons out of that party.
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Obama also seems to agree in this report.
I've previously written about the dangers of limited media access, such as ingesting news or commentary from a single source, but no one has responded to that. I think with the advances in technology and the idea of pay-for-news, we need to consider the dangers the formation of information armies could bring about.
For instance, there is a broad spectrum of people that use CNN as a source, which is evident in the diverse opinions found in CNN's blogs, etc. I would have difficulty stereotyping the opinions of CNN viewers because they are all over the map.
Fox News viewers, in contrast, seem to share nearly the same views on issues. Therefore, Fox News has more or less created an information army, and that's what worries me. Read more about what I mean when I say "information army": Paying for news may have negative effects