The American Critic

CBRADIO on November 30th, 2008 at 12:23 PM

 

This is strait from [url=www.change.gov]www.change.gov

America Serves

"When you choose to serve -- whether it's your nation, your community or simply your neighborhood -- you are connected to that fundamental American ideal that we want life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness not just for ourselves, but for all Americans. That's why it's called the American dream."
As the new administration takes shape, Barack Obama and Joe Biden will call on Americans from every walk of life to serve. President-elect Obama and Vice President-elect Biden will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps and will create new service organizations to meet the nation's challenges head on:

a Classroom Corps to help underserved schools
a Health Corps to serve in the nation's clinics and hospitals
a Clean Energy Corps to achieve the goal of energy independence
a Veterans Corps to support the Americans who serve by standing in harm's way

Obama and Biden will call on citizens of all ages to serve. They'll set a goal that all middle school and high school students engage in 50 hours of community service a year, and develop a plan for all college students who engage in 100 hours of community service to receive a fully-refundable tax credit of $4,000 for their education. Obama and Biden will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.

The Obama-Biden administration's volunteer initiatives are still taking shape, but take a moment now to let us know that you're interested, and we'll keep you posted on all the latest developments.

Retired_Navy_Rob on November 30th, 2008 at 10:21 AM

 

CBRADIO: if more people did serve their community you could see real change. I do volunteer work with a few non-profits here in Orlando and the impact can be seen, not to mention the feeling you get out of doing positive work.

I agree if more people did serve their community you could see real change. The key words being “their community” I have my 5 and 7 year old helping our community from picking up trash to helping elderly neighbors by bringing up their trash cans and mail. As they get older these meager tasks will grow and take on greater responsibly. This goes back to the pride in ownership. I volunteer with the American Legion, vets helping vets, once again this is my community. I want to thank you for your service with those non-profit goups and I am sure these are causes that you beleive in. However if one does not care about the cause they will probably not get that same warm fuzzy feeling for doing it.

Retired_Navy_Rob on November 30th, 2008 at 9:42 AM

 

CBRADIO: First off...IT'S NOT MANDATORY!!!

Well after I read this I did a little research and found an article in The Washington Post that said it would “require” 50 hrs from high school and 100 hr from college students. Last time I checked anything required is mandatory.

CBRADIO: Are you okay with mandatory service when it comes to a military draft?

First of all I am 100% against the draft. I joined the U.S. Navy out of love of country and love of our way of life. I feel the fact that our military is 100% volunteer is one of the things that makes our military the great force that it is. Anytime somebody is forced to do something the results are going to be less then when somebody does it freely. Think of a highway. On the left side people picking up trash under court mandated community service for a DUI. On the right side there is a group that has adopted the highway. The right side will always be cleaner because there is a pride in ownership.

CBRADIO on November 28th, 2008 at 5:31 AM

 

"So let's see what we've got so far..
Redistribution of Wealth, Slavery (Forced Civil Service), Gun Control, Socialized Manufacturing, Socialized Energy, Socialized Education, Socialized Health Care, etc.
Looks like the perfect Makings for a Germany circa 1933, or Cuba circa 1976, or Russia circa 1917."

I hope you're joking. As far as Redistribution of Wealth, check out this book. http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8664.html
It shows that under Democratic Presidents the debt goes down, the middle class grows, and the rich remain rich. Seriously, conservatives need to find a new drum to beat...this SOCIALISM argument is old.

I guess you're free to make The Socialist claim but you cannot prove any of it to be true. (Oh, and just saying it doesn't make it true.)

Here is a portion of an article by LargeHadronCollider I think you should read.

Stop Trying To Scare People With Socialism.

"All of our allies, all the folks we go to war with and for have socialist economies. Lots of them have higher standards of living, free medicine, free college, and what’s wrong with that? Israel, the UK, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, Ireland, Sweden, Norway, Italy, Australia...do any of these US allies seem, to be failing? No. And this new demographic of young voters didn’t grow up seeing nuclear armed Communism as a first cousin of Socialism. They see their friends over seas living pretty well.

Ask Paulson what he thinks of Socialism.

Conservatives are dead quiet when $50 billion is spent on black box military projects, but wail like a cat in heat if some of their tax dollars help poor children. The fact is we give billions to corporations who often use the money and fail and are not held accountable, or they profit from it while we don’t. What’s the difference between giving free medicine to Texas children and giving free subsidies to developers? Your ideas about making socialism scary are failing because evidence shows that capitalist based socialism does fairly well, and the people in those countries fare as well or better than our own."

Retired_Navy_Rob on November 27th, 2008 at 11:53 AM

 

First I want to appologize for the cut and paste but I'am sick and dont feel like retyping :)

Mandatory community service is usually reserved as a punishment. Not to necessarily have the offender give aback but more along the lines of education through humiliation. Forcing someone to work pro bono is basically involuntary servitude


Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion

AMENDMENT XIII
Passed by Congress January 31, 1865. Ratified December 6, 1865.
Note: A portion of Article IV, section 2, of the Constitution was superseded by the 13th amendment.
Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2.
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.